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		<title>By: DamnDomainer</title>
		<link>http://www.domainersgazette.com/so-much-to-learn/#comment-791</link>
		<dc:creator>DamnDomainer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>totally know how you feel. my first website was a static HTML junk site with adsense plastered everywhere (think geocities kind of look)

and i've noticed that every project i took on ever since, i've been focusing more and more on development and providing for the user, even if it means less revenue.

SEO will get u traffic, but the greatest value is returning traffic, and u need a badass site for that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>totally know how you feel. my first website was a static HTML junk site with adsense plastered everywhere (think geocities kind of look)</p>
<p>and i&#8217;ve noticed that every project i took on ever since, i&#8217;ve been focusing more and more on development and providing for the user, even if it means less revenue.</p>
<p>SEO will get u traffic, but the greatest value is returning traffic, and u need a badass site for that!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.domainersgazette.com/so-much-to-learn/#comment-751</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter --

I've recently started reading your blog and have enjoyed the posts and thoughts.  I was happy to read you are in the Atlanta area, as recently moved to Atlanta as well.  If you are interested, I would like to possibly meet up and speak more about the domaining business, ideas, collaborating, etc.  Keep up the great work and contact me if interested.

- Michael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter &#8211;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve recently started reading your blog and have enjoyed the posts and thoughts.  I was happy to read you are in the Atlanta area, as recently moved to Atlanta as well.  If you are interested, I would like to possibly meet up and speak more about the domaining business, ideas, collaborating, etc.  Keep up the great work and contact me if interested.</p>
<p>- Michael</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Askew</title>
		<link>http://www.domainersgazette.com/so-much-to-learn/#comment-738</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Askew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for  the kind comments guys..and thanks for all those links Patrick..

ray - I can't say I'm a huge outsourcer yet.. would rather learn the basics first, hand code myself until I hit a wall. Then - at that point - I'll at least be able to speak against the language, and propertly communicate what I need done to some future developer, you know?

Still, though, I'm big on self-reliance, and honestly would rather teach myself rather than relying on someone else to grow my business..

-peter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for  the kind comments guys..and thanks for all those links Patrick..</p>
<p>ray - I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m a huge outsourcer yet.. would rather learn the basics first, hand code myself until I hit a wall. Then - at that point - I&#8217;ll at least be able to speak against the language, and propertly communicate what I need done to some future developer, you know?</p>
<p>Still, though, I&#8217;m big on self-reliance, and honestly would rather teach myself rather than relying on someone else to grow my business..</p>
<p>-peter</p>
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		<title>By: Domaining</title>
		<link>http://www.domainersgazette.com/so-much-to-learn/#comment-730</link>
		<dc:creator>Domaining</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nooooooo Peter dont do it!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not saying don't learn about these languages, just remember that its a lot of work to get on top of these languages properly - and web dev is something you can outsource. Plus there is plenty of open source stuff you can download for free and plenty of people on webmaster forums to help.

Just don't forget your hourly rate - if you can make say $50 per hour dealing in domain names it is probably worth paying half of that to some web developer freelancer to pick up on the stuff you can't manage yourself. 

Good luck - I enjoy reading your blog,

Ray</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nooooooo Peter dont do it!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying don&#8217;t learn about these languages, just remember that its a lot of work to get on top of these languages properly - and web dev is something you can outsource. Plus there is plenty of open source stuff you can download for free and plenty of people on webmaster forums to help.</p>
<p>Just don&#8217;t forget your hourly rate - if you can make say $50 per hour dealing in domain names it is probably worth paying half of that to some web developer freelancer to pick up on the stuff you can&#8217;t manage yourself. </p>
<p>Good luck - I enjoy reading your blog,</p>
<p>Ray</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.domainersgazette.com/so-much-to-learn/#comment-729</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter,

I too am opposite of you. I started programming early in ASP and some PHP. I not a coder (by far) but just learned enough to be (mildly) useful.  However, as of late, I find myself in a quandry...owning several hundred mostly long-tail domain names and dire desire to find the right way to monetize them.  I've been reading feverishly over the last couple of months in an effort to find just the thing.  I'd welcome the chance for us to chat/email/communicate sometime.

Also, starting out where Dan mentioned above is a great way to go. Hacking a little bit here and there to get the results you want from a script someone else wrote is a great way to learn.

Regards...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter,</p>
<p>I too am opposite of you. I started programming early in ASP and some PHP. I not a coder (by far) but just learned enough to be (mildly) useful.  However, as of late, I find myself in a quandry&#8230;owning several hundred mostly long-tail domain names and dire desire to find the right way to monetize them.  I&#8217;ve been reading feverishly over the last couple of months in an effort to find just the thing.  I&#8217;d welcome the chance for us to chat/email/communicate sometime.</p>
<p>Also, starting out where Dan mentioned above is a great way to go. Hacking a little bit here and there to get the results you want from a script someone else wrote is a great way to learn.</p>
<p>Regards&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick McDermott</title>
		<link>http://www.domainersgazette.com/so-much-to-learn/#comment-725</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick McDermott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Peter,

Here are links to tutorials that I have collected. Maybe you'll find some of them useful

Web Building Primer
http://www.w3schools.com/web/default.asp
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 Web Building Tutorial
http://www.w3schools.com/site/default.asp
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Full Web Building Tutorials - All Free
http://www.w3schools.com/
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A complete guide to designing web sites that work -Free
http://www.webdesignfromscratch.com/
--------
Free Web Design Tutorials
http://www.entheosweb.com/tutorials.asp
-------
Beginner Webmaster Tutorials
http://www.startingwebmaster.com/tutorial.htm
Great GraphicsTutorials Site
http://www.allgraphicdesign.com/
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Hundreds of tutorials on various programming languages, suitable for both beginners and experts
http://itutor.info/
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Training Tools for WebMasters
http://trainingtools.com/
-------
Online Video Based Training Library- Free Trial &#38; Paid Subscriptions
http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/index.asp
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Nice tutorial from IBM for PHP
http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/edu/os-dw-os-phptut1-i.html
--------------
Round-up of 30 AJAX Tutorials
http://www.maxkiesler.com/index.php/weblog/comments/round_up_of_30_ajax_tutorials/
------
60+ more AJAX tutorials
http://www.maxkiesler.com/index.php/weblog/comments/60_more_helpful_ajax_tutorials/
----
Free 350 page online Ebook on PHP
http://hudzilla.org/phpwiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
------------
Tutorials on just about every subjecy
http://www.tutorialstoday.com/Home.aspx
------
Programming Tutorials
http://www.tudogs.com/programming.php
------
Big Tutorials Reference Site
http://search.live.com/results.aspx?FORM=MOCA10&#38;q=Tutorial
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http://www.certy.com/
Free elearning for many areas, including Java, JSP, JavaqScript, 
HTML, XML, MySQL, .Net, C#, ASP, Networking, and Hardware. 
(Registration is required.)

Qs: What is CERTY?
Ans: Certy is a website that offers online certifications and learning to help you succeed.

Qs: What is the cost to access CERTY?
Ans: Access to CERTY is currently Free 

http://www.certy.com/Freecertifications.asp

Here are their Developer Resource Channels:  

  ASP:
  http://www.certy.com/devxa.asp

  C#:
  http://www.certy.com/devc.asp

  SQL:
  http://www.certy.com/devs.asp

  Visual Basic:
  http://www.certy.com/devv.asp

  XML:
  http://www.certy.com/devx1.asp
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"So much to learn" indeed!

Have fun.
Patrick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Peter,</p>
<p>Here are links to tutorials that I have collected. Maybe you&#8217;ll find some of them useful</p>
<p>Web Building Primer<br />
<a href="http://www.w3schools.com/web/default.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.w3schools.com/web/default.asp</a><br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
 Web Building Tutorial<br />
<a href="http://www.w3schools.com/site/default.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.w3schools.com/site/default.asp</a><br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Full Web Building Tutorials - All Free<br />
<a href="http://www.w3schools.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.w3schools.com/</a><br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
A complete guide to designing web sites that work -Free<br />
<a href="http://www.webdesignfromscratch.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.webdesignfromscratch.com/</a><br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Free Web Design Tutorials<br />
<a href="http://www.entheosweb.com/tutorials.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.entheosweb.com/tutorials.asp</a><br />
&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Beginner Webmaster Tutorials<br />
<a href="http://www.startingwebmaster.com/tutorial.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.startingwebmaster.com/tutorial.htm</a><br />
Great GraphicsTutorials Site<br />
<a href="http://www.allgraphicdesign.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.allgraphicdesign.com/</a><br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Hundreds of tutorials on various programming languages, suitable for both beginners and experts<br />
<a href="http://itutor.info/" rel="nofollow">http://itutor.info/</a><br />
&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Training Tools for WebMasters<br />
<a href="http://trainingtools.com/" rel="nofollow">http://trainingtools.com/</a><br />
&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Online Video Based Training Library- Free Trial &amp; Paid Subscriptions<br />
<a href="http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/index.asp" rel="nofollow">http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/index.asp</a><br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Nice tutorial from IBM for PHP<br />
<a href="http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/edu/os-dw-os-phptut1-i.html" rel="nofollow">http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/edu/os-dw-os-phptut1-i.html</a><br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Round-up of 30 AJAX Tutorials<br />
<a href="http://www.maxkiesler.com/index.php/weblog/comments/round_up_of_30_ajax_tutorials/" rel="nofollow">http://www.maxkiesler.com/index.php/weblog/comments/round_up_of_30_ajax_tutorials/</a><br />
&#8212;&#8212;<br />
60+ more AJAX tutorials<br />
<a href="http://www.maxkiesler.com/index.php/weblog/comments/60_more_helpful_ajax_tutorials/" rel="nofollow">http://www.maxkiesler.com/index.php/weblog/comments/60_more_helpful_ajax_tutorials/</a><br />
&#8212;-<br />
Free 350 page online Ebook on PHP<br />
<a href="http://hudzilla.org/phpwiki/index.php?title=Main_Page" rel="nofollow">http://hudzilla.org/phpwiki/index.php?title=Main_Page</a><br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Tutorials on just about every subjecy<br />
<a href="http://www.tutorialstoday.com/Home.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.tutorialstoday.com/Home.aspx</a><br />
&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Programming Tutorials<br />
<a href="http://www.tudogs.com/programming.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.tudogs.com/programming.php</a><br />
&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Big Tutorials Reference Site<br />
<a href="http://search.live.com/results.aspx?FORM=MOCA10&amp;q=Tutorial" rel="nofollow">http://search.live.com/results.aspx?FORM=MOCA10&amp;q=Tutorial</a><br />
&#8212;-<br />
<a href="http://www.certy.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.certy.com/</a><br />
Free elearning for many areas, including Java, JSP, JavaqScript,<br />
HTML, XML, MySQL, .Net, C#, ASP, Networking, and Hardware.<br />
(Registration is required.)</p>
<p>Qs: What is CERTY?<br />
Ans: Certy is a website that offers online certifications and learning to help you succeed.</p>
<p>Qs: What is the cost to access CERTY?<br />
Ans: Access to CERTY is currently Free </p>
<p><a href="http://www.certy.com/Freecertifications.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.certy.com/Freecertifications.asp</a></p>
<p>Here are their Developer Resource Channels:  </p>
<p>  ASP:<br />
  <a href="http://www.certy.com/devxa.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.certy.com/devxa.asp</a></p>
<p>  C#:<br />
  <a href="http://www.certy.com/devc.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.certy.com/devc.asp</a></p>
<p>  SQL:<br />
  <a href="http://www.certy.com/devs.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.certy.com/devs.asp</a></p>
<p>  Visual Basic:<br />
  <a href="http://www.certy.com/devv.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.certy.com/devv.asp</a></p>
<p>  XML:<br />
  <a href="http://www.certy.com/devx1.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.certy.com/devx1.asp</a><br />
========<br />
&#8220;So much to learn&#8221; indeed!</p>
<p>Have fun.<br />
Patrick</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Sweet &#187; Like Looking into a Mirror</title>
		<link>http://www.domainersgazette.com/so-much-to-learn/#comment-649</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Sweet &#187; Like Looking into a Mirror</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the blogs that I subscribe to, DomainersGazette.com, had a post today that hit at just the right [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of the blogs that I subscribe to, DomainersGazette.com, had a post today that hit at just the right [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Arts</title>
		<link>http://www.domainersgazette.com/so-much-to-learn/#comment-634</link>
		<dc:creator>Arts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey,

Good luck learning php + mysql. They both are really valuable to know. 
I started the opposite way around. Php and mysql were the first thing i started to learned 7 years ago. Learned SEO and PPC for couple of years  and reached to   SEOmining and domaining about couple of months ago. I am really excited i discovered domaining and seomining.

Nice blog btw, keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey,</p>
<p>Good luck learning php + mysql. They both are really valuable to know.<br />
I started the opposite way around. Php and mysql were the first thing i started to learned 7 years ago. Learned SEO and PPC for couple of years  and reached to   SEOmining and domaining about couple of months ago. I am really excited i discovered domaining and seomining.</p>
<p>Nice blog btw, keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.domainersgazette.com/so-much-to-learn/#comment-628</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 06:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter,  I am hearing you loud and clear.

I do adult blogs and some SEO-aware freesites, and I've been picking up adult domains like a bad habit.  I come to this from a very non-tech background, and in five years I've graduated from knowing about six html tags, though learning CSS at a rudimentary level, to my current level of dabbling in .php because I SIMPLY CANNOT stand not knowing how to make dynamic websites.

I've learned everything I know about javascript and PHP by doing what I call "cargo cult programming" -- which is to say, finding a script that does something close to what I want, and then making tiny incremental changes (with much crossed fingers and swearing) until it starts doing what I want it to.  It's very slow and very frustrating, but much better than not being able to program at all.

Unfortunately mySQL is still a complete foreign country -- I have to rely on my managed hosting to  do so much as set up a new DB for a WordPress install, and beyond that, I've got nuthin'.

Not to mention the fact that I could write out the specs for at least four different PHP scripts that would make me money, but I can't *write* them and I don't have the capital to hire it done.

This need to learn the development backend has been riding me urgently for about eight months now.  So I am very much in sympathy with your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter,  I am hearing you loud and clear.</p>
<p>I do adult blogs and some SEO-aware freesites, and I&#8217;ve been picking up adult domains like a bad habit.  I come to this from a very non-tech background, and in five years I&#8217;ve graduated from knowing about six html tags, though learning CSS at a rudimentary level, to my current level of dabbling in .php because I SIMPLY CANNOT stand not knowing how to make dynamic websites.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve learned everything I know about javascript and PHP by doing what I call &#8220;cargo cult programming&#8221; &#8212; which is to say, finding a script that does something close to what I want, and then making tiny incremental changes (with much crossed fingers and swearing) until it starts doing what I want it to.  It&#8217;s very slow and very frustrating, but much better than not being able to program at all.</p>
<p>Unfortunately mySQL is still a complete foreign country &#8212; I have to rely on my managed hosting to  do so much as set up a new DB for a WordPress install, and beyond that, I&#8217;ve got nuthin&#8217;.</p>
<p>Not to mention the fact that I could write out the specs for at least four different PHP scripts that would make me money, but I can&#8217;t *write* them and I don&#8217;t have the capital to hire it done.</p>
<p>This need to learn the development backend has been riding me urgently for about eight months now.  So I am very much in sympathy with your post.</p>
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		<title>By: japh</title>
		<link>http://www.domainersgazette.com/so-much-to-learn/#comment-614</link>
		<dc:creator>japh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I'm normally a lurker rather than a commenter... but this is the second time this week your post has made me reply!  :)

It seems I am your antithesis!  I have a development background, but am really keen to get into domaining and SEOmaining!

Perhaps we can do a trade...  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m normally a lurker rather than a commenter&#8230; but this is the second time this week your post has made me reply!  <img src='http://www.domainersgazette.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It seems I am your antithesis!  I have a development background, but am really keen to get into domaining and SEOmaining!</p>
<p>Perhaps we can do a trade&#8230;  <img src='http://www.domainersgazette.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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